On Tuesday evening, Twitter CEO Elon Musk sat down for an interview with the British Broadcasting Company‘s (BBC) James Clayton to discuss the administration of Twitter and recent policy changes made under Musk’s direction.
Musk conducted the interview in a unique fashion with it taking place in Twitter’s headquarters in San Francisco, California but it also was being live-streamed to millions via a Twitter Space.
In one now-viral interview clip, Musk completely turned the tables on the reporter and left him scrambling as he attempted to push the idea that misinformation and hateful speech were on the rise under Musk’s leadership, a claim that Musk denied.
Musk would later write about the interaction that he was “Penetrating deep & hard with @BBC” and “I said BBC could come Twitter, then, to my surprise, a reporter shows up.”
“I’ve spoken to people very recently who were involved in moderation and they say that there aren’t enough people to police this stuff, particularly around hate speech in the company, is that something you wish to address?” the reporter began in the clip.
“You use Twitter. Do you see a rise in hate speech? Just a personal antidote. Do you? I don’t,” Musk asked.
“Personally, my For You, I would say I get more of that kind of content personally. I’m not going to talk for the rest of Twitter, but personally,” the reporter responded.
Musk then asked Clayton to describe what he means by hateful which the BBC reporter struggled to craft an articulate answer saying that it’s “something that is slightly racist or slightly sexist.”
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Musk then asked if something is slightly racist or sexist, then should it be banned? To which the reporter said “I’m not saying anything” as the interview went off track and Musk turned the tables on the unprepared reporter.
The Twitter CEO then asked for specific examples of what Clayton is citing as hate speech to which he couldn’t come up with a single example while simultaneously destroying his previous argument by citing his For You page as evidence. He later claimed that he hasn’t used the page in weeks.
Given his inability to come up with examples, Musk said, “Then I say sir, you do not know what you are talking about. Because you can’t give a single example of hateful content. Not even one tweet and yet you claimed that the hateful content was high. That’s false. You just lied.”
Clayton, stammering in his response, attempted to appeal to authority for his response saying that there are organizations like the Strategic Dialogue that say that hate speech is on the rise.
To counter this Musk said, “People will say all sorts of nonsense. I’m literally asking for a single example and you can’t name one…You literally said you experienced more hateful content and then couldn’t name a single example. That’s absurd!”
The reporter then attempted to pivot the conversation to Covid-19 misinformation to which Musk was prepared to attack the BBC‘s role in spreading misinformation about the subject.
“Does the BBC hold itself at all responsible for misinformation regarding masking and side effects of vaccinations and not reporting on that at all? And what about the BBC was put under pressure from the British government to change editorial policy, are you aware of that?” Musk asked the speechless reporter.
The clip is perhaps one of the most stunning and hilarious exchanges between a public figure and a reporter. Musk expertly destroys the reporter’s attempt to slander his leadership and exposes the lackluster ability of these reporters to actually stand by their arguments when pressed.
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